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radiuz26 2005-09-06 16:45 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Ähh, tänk på DVD-spelaren i början.radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0DET 2005-09-06 16:49 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Tja men HD DVD är väl billigare? Jag håller på det som är billigast.Nintendo DS+Animalcrossing=längtar! Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 16:50 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Köp en CD-spelare isf.radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0 Mission_zero 2005-09-06 17:33 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Hoppas på Blue-ray det verkar bäst.Gran i maten? Man kan ju inte ha gran i maten! Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 18:07 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Priset per skiva är inte mycket dyrare än en HD DVD skiva. Det senaste som SONY sagt är att en BR skiva kommer kosta runt 3-5 dollar att tillverka medans dagens DVD pris är 2 dollar och det blir väl troligen HD DVD priset med. Så det enda HD DVD egentligen har som fördel är priset som nu är en ganska liten skillnad och att ombyggnaden av DVD fabrikerna inte blir så stor. Ska försöka leta efter lite nytt om HD DVD och BR! Får se hur SONY reagerar nu när HD DVD releesen blivit uppskjuten till nästa år, kan vi förvänta oss massor av filmer på PS3 releesen? Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 18:10 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Jag kan förvänta mig av att PS3 kommer sälja som DVD-spelare än en gång precis som PS2. Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:04 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Ja, tror faktiskt det med. Om SONY släpper BR filmer samtidigt som när PS3 släpps kan det nog kanske endast bli BR filmer i framtiden för min del(om priset är rätt dvs) Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:06 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Matrix filmerna släpptes ju under eller några dagar innan PS2 premiären,vilket gjorde att försäljningen av DVD filmerna blev en dundersuccé på samma gång som PS2 blev en storsäljare. Alltså i Japan, Maj månaden. (eller var det April?) I think. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:09 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Jag tror mer på Bluray än hd-dvd. De har ungefär samma läshastighet men bluray lagrar mer och känns helt enkelt lite "framtid" över det. Tyvärr så känns hd-dvd som en uppgradering av dvd snarare än ett nytt format. får väl hoppas att detta "krig" slutar ganska snabbt, jobbigt med 2st format xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:14 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ja hoppas det blir ett kortvarit krig så att konsumenterna inte lågas av det i och med dyra spelare. Hoppas själv på BR pga att PS3 har en BR läsare. Får spelaren på ett mycket billigare sätt på det sättet^^ Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:16 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Vad hette den den där formaten från SONY som utmanade mot VHS? För den var ju också "futuristiskt" och hade en del fördelar som VHS saknade och ändå vann VHS. Vet dock inte varför,men ja, det är inte alltid "de bästa" som vinner. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:20 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Th3 End]: Vet inte så mycket om VHS och Betamax-kriget, men det hade nog även att göra med vilka bolag som stod bakom formatet. Och för tillfället så verkar BR ha mest stöd Ska se om jag hittar listan med bolagen..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:22 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Th3 end: Betamax! Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade Var väl mest för att VHS var billigare? Idag är det annorlunda då skivorna måste vara säkra och BR är just nu betydligt säkrare än HD DVD, eftersom SONY har adopterat det bästa säkerhetssystemet någonsin för en skiva. Någon som vet exakt vad det var som fällde Betamax? Uppdatering: Troligen var det så att VHS kasetterna var billigare, spelarna var billigare och det fanns mer filmer. Idag är det tyvärr lite mer komplicerat än så! Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:24 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Borttaget] Haha,trodde att jag var i PS3 tråden. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:26 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Fagers] "Betamax format för videobandspelare för konsumentbruk utvecklad av Sony. Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare. Som enda tillverkare kunde Sony hålla ett högre pris på maskinerna vilket i slutändan dömde formatet att förlora i tävlingen mot VHS formatet." Typ Är inte så denna gången då företag som tex TDK har visat upp BR-skivor xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ok SONYs vanliga strategi^^ Tur att det inte kan hända med BR, eftersom SONY inte har ensam rätt på det! Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
DET 2005-09-06 16:49 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Tja men HD DVD är väl billigare? Jag håller på det som är billigast.Nintendo DS+Animalcrossing=längtar! Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 16:50 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Köp en CD-spelare isf.radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0 Mission_zero 2005-09-06 17:33 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Hoppas på Blue-ray det verkar bäst.Gran i maten? Man kan ju inte ha gran i maten! Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 18:07 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Priset per skiva är inte mycket dyrare än en HD DVD skiva. Det senaste som SONY sagt är att en BR skiva kommer kosta runt 3-5 dollar att tillverka medans dagens DVD pris är 2 dollar och det blir väl troligen HD DVD priset med. Så det enda HD DVD egentligen har som fördel är priset som nu är en ganska liten skillnad och att ombyggnaden av DVD fabrikerna inte blir så stor. Ska försöka leta efter lite nytt om HD DVD och BR! Får se hur SONY reagerar nu när HD DVD releesen blivit uppskjuten till nästa år, kan vi förvänta oss massor av filmer på PS3 releesen? Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 18:10 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Jag kan förvänta mig av att PS3 kommer sälja som DVD-spelare än en gång precis som PS2. Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:04 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Ja, tror faktiskt det med. Om SONY släpper BR filmer samtidigt som när PS3 släpps kan det nog kanske endast bli BR filmer i framtiden för min del(om priset är rätt dvs) Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:06 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Matrix filmerna släpptes ju under eller några dagar innan PS2 premiären,vilket gjorde att försäljningen av DVD filmerna blev en dundersuccé på samma gång som PS2 blev en storsäljare. Alltså i Japan, Maj månaden. (eller var det April?) I think. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:09 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Jag tror mer på Bluray än hd-dvd. De har ungefär samma läshastighet men bluray lagrar mer och känns helt enkelt lite "framtid" över det. Tyvärr så känns hd-dvd som en uppgradering av dvd snarare än ett nytt format. får väl hoppas att detta "krig" slutar ganska snabbt, jobbigt med 2st format xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:14 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ja hoppas det blir ett kortvarit krig så att konsumenterna inte lågas av det i och med dyra spelare. Hoppas själv på BR pga att PS3 har en BR läsare. Får spelaren på ett mycket billigare sätt på det sättet^^ Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:16 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Vad hette den den där formaten från SONY som utmanade mot VHS? För den var ju också "futuristiskt" och hade en del fördelar som VHS saknade och ändå vann VHS. Vet dock inte varför,men ja, det är inte alltid "de bästa" som vinner. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:20 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Th3 End]: Vet inte så mycket om VHS och Betamax-kriget, men det hade nog även att göra med vilka bolag som stod bakom formatet. Och för tillfället så verkar BR ha mest stöd Ska se om jag hittar listan med bolagen..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:22 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Th3 end: Betamax! Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade Var väl mest för att VHS var billigare? Idag är det annorlunda då skivorna måste vara säkra och BR är just nu betydligt säkrare än HD DVD, eftersom SONY har adopterat det bästa säkerhetssystemet någonsin för en skiva. Någon som vet exakt vad det var som fällde Betamax? Uppdatering: Troligen var det så att VHS kasetterna var billigare, spelarna var billigare och det fanns mer filmer. Idag är det tyvärr lite mer komplicerat än så! Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:24 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Borttaget] Haha,trodde att jag var i PS3 tråden. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:26 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Fagers] "Betamax format för videobandspelare för konsumentbruk utvecklad av Sony. Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare. Som enda tillverkare kunde Sony hålla ett högre pris på maskinerna vilket i slutändan dömde formatet att förlora i tävlingen mot VHS formatet." Typ Är inte så denna gången då företag som tex TDK har visat upp BR-skivor xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ok SONYs vanliga strategi^^ Tur att det inte kan hända med BR, eftersom SONY inte har ensam rätt på det! Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
radiuz26 2005-09-06 16:50 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Köp en CD-spelare isf.radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0 Mission_zero 2005-09-06 17:33 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Hoppas på Blue-ray det verkar bäst.Gran i maten? Man kan ju inte ha gran i maten! Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 18:07 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Priset per skiva är inte mycket dyrare än en HD DVD skiva. Det senaste som SONY sagt är att en BR skiva kommer kosta runt 3-5 dollar att tillverka medans dagens DVD pris är 2 dollar och det blir väl troligen HD DVD priset med. Så det enda HD DVD egentligen har som fördel är priset som nu är en ganska liten skillnad och att ombyggnaden av DVD fabrikerna inte blir så stor. Ska försöka leta efter lite nytt om HD DVD och BR! Får se hur SONY reagerar nu när HD DVD releesen blivit uppskjuten till nästa år, kan vi förvänta oss massor av filmer på PS3 releesen? Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 18:10 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Jag kan förvänta mig av att PS3 kommer sälja som DVD-spelare än en gång precis som PS2. Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:04 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Ja, tror faktiskt det med. Om SONY släpper BR filmer samtidigt som när PS3 släpps kan det nog kanske endast bli BR filmer i framtiden för min del(om priset är rätt dvs) Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:06 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Matrix filmerna släpptes ju under eller några dagar innan PS2 premiären,vilket gjorde att försäljningen av DVD filmerna blev en dundersuccé på samma gång som PS2 blev en storsäljare. Alltså i Japan, Maj månaden. (eller var det April?) I think. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:09 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Jag tror mer på Bluray än hd-dvd. De har ungefär samma läshastighet men bluray lagrar mer och känns helt enkelt lite "framtid" över det. Tyvärr så känns hd-dvd som en uppgradering av dvd snarare än ett nytt format. får väl hoppas att detta "krig" slutar ganska snabbt, jobbigt med 2st format xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:14 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ja hoppas det blir ett kortvarit krig så att konsumenterna inte lågas av det i och med dyra spelare. Hoppas själv på BR pga att PS3 har en BR läsare. Får spelaren på ett mycket billigare sätt på det sättet^^ Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:16 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Vad hette den den där formaten från SONY som utmanade mot VHS? För den var ju också "futuristiskt" och hade en del fördelar som VHS saknade och ändå vann VHS. Vet dock inte varför,men ja, det är inte alltid "de bästa" som vinner. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:20 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Th3 End]: Vet inte så mycket om VHS och Betamax-kriget, men det hade nog även att göra med vilka bolag som stod bakom formatet. Och för tillfället så verkar BR ha mest stöd Ska se om jag hittar listan med bolagen..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:22 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Th3 end: Betamax! Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade Var väl mest för att VHS var billigare? Idag är det annorlunda då skivorna måste vara säkra och BR är just nu betydligt säkrare än HD DVD, eftersom SONY har adopterat det bästa säkerhetssystemet någonsin för en skiva. Någon som vet exakt vad det var som fällde Betamax? Uppdatering: Troligen var det så att VHS kasetterna var billigare, spelarna var billigare och det fanns mer filmer. Idag är det tyvärr lite mer komplicerat än så! Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:24 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Borttaget] Haha,trodde att jag var i PS3 tråden. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:26 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Fagers] "Betamax format för videobandspelare för konsumentbruk utvecklad av Sony. Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare. Som enda tillverkare kunde Sony hålla ett högre pris på maskinerna vilket i slutändan dömde formatet att förlora i tävlingen mot VHS formatet." Typ Är inte så denna gången då företag som tex TDK har visat upp BR-skivor xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ok SONYs vanliga strategi^^ Tur att det inte kan hända med BR, eftersom SONY inte har ensam rätt på det! Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
Mission_zero 2005-09-06 17:33 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Hoppas på Blue-ray det verkar bäst.Gran i maten? Man kan ju inte ha gran i maten! Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 18:07 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Priset per skiva är inte mycket dyrare än en HD DVD skiva. Det senaste som SONY sagt är att en BR skiva kommer kosta runt 3-5 dollar att tillverka medans dagens DVD pris är 2 dollar och det blir väl troligen HD DVD priset med. Så det enda HD DVD egentligen har som fördel är priset som nu är en ganska liten skillnad och att ombyggnaden av DVD fabrikerna inte blir så stor. Ska försöka leta efter lite nytt om HD DVD och BR! Får se hur SONY reagerar nu när HD DVD releesen blivit uppskjuten till nästa år, kan vi förvänta oss massor av filmer på PS3 releesen? Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 18:10 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Jag kan förvänta mig av att PS3 kommer sälja som DVD-spelare än en gång precis som PS2. Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:04 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Ja, tror faktiskt det med. Om SONY släpper BR filmer samtidigt som när PS3 släpps kan det nog kanske endast bli BR filmer i framtiden för min del(om priset är rätt dvs) Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:06 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Matrix filmerna släpptes ju under eller några dagar innan PS2 premiären,vilket gjorde att försäljningen av DVD filmerna blev en dundersuccé på samma gång som PS2 blev en storsäljare. Alltså i Japan, Maj månaden. (eller var det April?) I think. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:09 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Jag tror mer på Bluray än hd-dvd. De har ungefär samma läshastighet men bluray lagrar mer och känns helt enkelt lite "framtid" över det. Tyvärr så känns hd-dvd som en uppgradering av dvd snarare än ett nytt format. får väl hoppas att detta "krig" slutar ganska snabbt, jobbigt med 2st format xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:14 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ja hoppas det blir ett kortvarit krig så att konsumenterna inte lågas av det i och med dyra spelare. Hoppas själv på BR pga att PS3 har en BR läsare. Får spelaren på ett mycket billigare sätt på det sättet^^ Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:16 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Vad hette den den där formaten från SONY som utmanade mot VHS? För den var ju också "futuristiskt" och hade en del fördelar som VHS saknade och ändå vann VHS. Vet dock inte varför,men ja, det är inte alltid "de bästa" som vinner. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:20 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Th3 End]: Vet inte så mycket om VHS och Betamax-kriget, men det hade nog även att göra med vilka bolag som stod bakom formatet. Och för tillfället så verkar BR ha mest stöd Ska se om jag hittar listan med bolagen..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:22 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Th3 end: Betamax! Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade Var väl mest för att VHS var billigare? Idag är det annorlunda då skivorna måste vara säkra och BR är just nu betydligt säkrare än HD DVD, eftersom SONY har adopterat det bästa säkerhetssystemet någonsin för en skiva. Någon som vet exakt vad det var som fällde Betamax? Uppdatering: Troligen var det så att VHS kasetterna var billigare, spelarna var billigare och det fanns mer filmer. Idag är det tyvärr lite mer komplicerat än så! Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:24 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Borttaget] Haha,trodde att jag var i PS3 tråden. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:26 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Fagers] "Betamax format för videobandspelare för konsumentbruk utvecklad av Sony. Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare. Som enda tillverkare kunde Sony hålla ett högre pris på maskinerna vilket i slutändan dömde formatet att förlora i tävlingen mot VHS formatet." Typ Är inte så denna gången då företag som tex TDK har visat upp BR-skivor xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ok SONYs vanliga strategi^^ Tur att det inte kan hända med BR, eftersom SONY inte har ensam rätt på det! Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
Fagers 2005-09-06 18:07 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Priset per skiva är inte mycket dyrare än en HD DVD skiva. Det senaste som SONY sagt är att en BR skiva kommer kosta runt 3-5 dollar att tillverka medans dagens DVD pris är 2 dollar och det blir väl troligen HD DVD priset med. Så det enda HD DVD egentligen har som fördel är priset som nu är en ganska liten skillnad och att ombyggnaden av DVD fabrikerna inte blir så stor. Ska försöka leta efter lite nytt om HD DVD och BR! Får se hur SONY reagerar nu när HD DVD releesen blivit uppskjuten till nästa år, kan vi förvänta oss massor av filmer på PS3 releesen? Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 18:10 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Jag kan förvänta mig av att PS3 kommer sälja som DVD-spelare än en gång precis som PS2. Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:04 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Ja, tror faktiskt det med. Om SONY släpper BR filmer samtidigt som när PS3 släpps kan det nog kanske endast bli BR filmer i framtiden för min del(om priset är rätt dvs) Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:06 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Matrix filmerna släpptes ju under eller några dagar innan PS2 premiären,vilket gjorde att försäljningen av DVD filmerna blev en dundersuccé på samma gång som PS2 blev en storsäljare. Alltså i Japan, Maj månaden. (eller var det April?) I think. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:09 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Jag tror mer på Bluray än hd-dvd. De har ungefär samma läshastighet men bluray lagrar mer och känns helt enkelt lite "framtid" över det. Tyvärr så känns hd-dvd som en uppgradering av dvd snarare än ett nytt format. får väl hoppas att detta "krig" slutar ganska snabbt, jobbigt med 2st format xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:14 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ja hoppas det blir ett kortvarit krig så att konsumenterna inte lågas av det i och med dyra spelare. Hoppas själv på BR pga att PS3 har en BR läsare. Får spelaren på ett mycket billigare sätt på det sättet^^ Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:16 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Vad hette den den där formaten från SONY som utmanade mot VHS? För den var ju också "futuristiskt" och hade en del fördelar som VHS saknade och ändå vann VHS. Vet dock inte varför,men ja, det är inte alltid "de bästa" som vinner. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:20 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Th3 End]: Vet inte så mycket om VHS och Betamax-kriget, men det hade nog även att göra med vilka bolag som stod bakom formatet. Och för tillfället så verkar BR ha mest stöd Ska se om jag hittar listan med bolagen..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:22 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Th3 end: Betamax! Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade Var väl mest för att VHS var billigare? Idag är det annorlunda då skivorna måste vara säkra och BR är just nu betydligt säkrare än HD DVD, eftersom SONY har adopterat det bästa säkerhetssystemet någonsin för en skiva. Någon som vet exakt vad det var som fällde Betamax? Uppdatering: Troligen var det så att VHS kasetterna var billigare, spelarna var billigare och det fanns mer filmer. Idag är det tyvärr lite mer komplicerat än så! Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:24 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Borttaget] Haha,trodde att jag var i PS3 tråden. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:26 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Fagers] "Betamax format för videobandspelare för konsumentbruk utvecklad av Sony. Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare. Som enda tillverkare kunde Sony hålla ett högre pris på maskinerna vilket i slutändan dömde formatet att förlora i tävlingen mot VHS formatet." Typ Är inte så denna gången då företag som tex TDK har visat upp BR-skivor xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ok SONYs vanliga strategi^^ Tur att det inte kan hända med BR, eftersom SONY inte har ensam rätt på det! Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
Th3 End 2005-09-06 18:10 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Jag kan förvänta mig av att PS3 kommer sälja som DVD-spelare än en gång precis som PS2. Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:04 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Ja, tror faktiskt det med. Om SONY släpper BR filmer samtidigt som när PS3 släpps kan det nog kanske endast bli BR filmer i framtiden för min del(om priset är rätt dvs) Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:06 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Matrix filmerna släpptes ju under eller några dagar innan PS2 premiären,vilket gjorde att försäljningen av DVD filmerna blev en dundersuccé på samma gång som PS2 blev en storsäljare. Alltså i Japan, Maj månaden. (eller var det April?) I think. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:09 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Jag tror mer på Bluray än hd-dvd. De har ungefär samma läshastighet men bluray lagrar mer och känns helt enkelt lite "framtid" över det. Tyvärr så känns hd-dvd som en uppgradering av dvd snarare än ett nytt format. får väl hoppas att detta "krig" slutar ganska snabbt, jobbigt med 2st format xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:14 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ja hoppas det blir ett kortvarit krig så att konsumenterna inte lågas av det i och med dyra spelare. Hoppas själv på BR pga att PS3 har en BR läsare. Får spelaren på ett mycket billigare sätt på det sättet^^ Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:16 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Vad hette den den där formaten från SONY som utmanade mot VHS? För den var ju också "futuristiskt" och hade en del fördelar som VHS saknade och ändå vann VHS. Vet dock inte varför,men ja, det är inte alltid "de bästa" som vinner. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:20 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Th3 End]: Vet inte så mycket om VHS och Betamax-kriget, men det hade nog även att göra med vilka bolag som stod bakom formatet. Och för tillfället så verkar BR ha mest stöd Ska se om jag hittar listan med bolagen..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:22 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Th3 end: Betamax! Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade Var väl mest för att VHS var billigare? Idag är det annorlunda då skivorna måste vara säkra och BR är just nu betydligt säkrare än HD DVD, eftersom SONY har adopterat det bästa säkerhetssystemet någonsin för en skiva. Någon som vet exakt vad det var som fällde Betamax? Uppdatering: Troligen var det så att VHS kasetterna var billigare, spelarna var billigare och det fanns mer filmer. Idag är det tyvärr lite mer komplicerat än så! Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:24 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Borttaget] Haha,trodde att jag var i PS3 tråden. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:26 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Fagers] "Betamax format för videobandspelare för konsumentbruk utvecklad av Sony. Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare. Som enda tillverkare kunde Sony hålla ett högre pris på maskinerna vilket i slutändan dömde formatet att förlora i tävlingen mot VHS formatet." Typ Är inte så denna gången då företag som tex TDK har visat upp BR-skivor xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ok SONYs vanliga strategi^^ Tur att det inte kan hända med BR, eftersom SONY inte har ensam rätt på det! Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
Fagers 2005-09-06 19:04 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Ja, tror faktiskt det med. Om SONY släpper BR filmer samtidigt som när PS3 släpps kan det nog kanske endast bli BR filmer i framtiden för min del(om priset är rätt dvs) Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:06 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Matrix filmerna släpptes ju under eller några dagar innan PS2 premiären,vilket gjorde att försäljningen av DVD filmerna blev en dundersuccé på samma gång som PS2 blev en storsäljare. Alltså i Japan, Maj månaden. (eller var det April?) I think. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:09 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Jag tror mer på Bluray än hd-dvd. De har ungefär samma läshastighet men bluray lagrar mer och känns helt enkelt lite "framtid" över det. Tyvärr så känns hd-dvd som en uppgradering av dvd snarare än ett nytt format. får väl hoppas att detta "krig" slutar ganska snabbt, jobbigt med 2st format xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:14 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ja hoppas det blir ett kortvarit krig så att konsumenterna inte lågas av det i och med dyra spelare. Hoppas själv på BR pga att PS3 har en BR läsare. Får spelaren på ett mycket billigare sätt på det sättet^^ Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:16 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Vad hette den den där formaten från SONY som utmanade mot VHS? För den var ju också "futuristiskt" och hade en del fördelar som VHS saknade och ändå vann VHS. Vet dock inte varför,men ja, det är inte alltid "de bästa" som vinner. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:20 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Th3 End]: Vet inte så mycket om VHS och Betamax-kriget, men det hade nog även att göra med vilka bolag som stod bakom formatet. Och för tillfället så verkar BR ha mest stöd Ska se om jag hittar listan med bolagen..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:22 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Th3 end: Betamax! Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade Var väl mest för att VHS var billigare? Idag är det annorlunda då skivorna måste vara säkra och BR är just nu betydligt säkrare än HD DVD, eftersom SONY har adopterat det bästa säkerhetssystemet någonsin för en skiva. Någon som vet exakt vad det var som fällde Betamax? Uppdatering: Troligen var det så att VHS kasetterna var billigare, spelarna var billigare och det fanns mer filmer. Idag är det tyvärr lite mer komplicerat än så! Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:24 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Borttaget] Haha,trodde att jag var i PS3 tråden. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:26 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Fagers] "Betamax format för videobandspelare för konsumentbruk utvecklad av Sony. Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare. Som enda tillverkare kunde Sony hålla ett högre pris på maskinerna vilket i slutändan dömde formatet att förlora i tävlingen mot VHS formatet." Typ Är inte så denna gången då företag som tex TDK har visat upp BR-skivor xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ok SONYs vanliga strategi^^ Tur att det inte kan hända med BR, eftersom SONY inte har ensam rätt på det! Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:06 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Matrix filmerna släpptes ju under eller några dagar innan PS2 premiären,vilket gjorde att försäljningen av DVD filmerna blev en dundersuccé på samma gång som PS2 blev en storsäljare. Alltså i Japan, Maj månaden. (eller var det April?) I think. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:09 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Jag tror mer på Bluray än hd-dvd. De har ungefär samma läshastighet men bluray lagrar mer och känns helt enkelt lite "framtid" över det. Tyvärr så känns hd-dvd som en uppgradering av dvd snarare än ett nytt format. får väl hoppas att detta "krig" slutar ganska snabbt, jobbigt med 2st format xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:14 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ja hoppas det blir ett kortvarit krig så att konsumenterna inte lågas av det i och med dyra spelare. Hoppas själv på BR pga att PS3 har en BR läsare. Får spelaren på ett mycket billigare sätt på det sättet^^ Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:16 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Vad hette den den där formaten från SONY som utmanade mot VHS? För den var ju också "futuristiskt" och hade en del fördelar som VHS saknade och ändå vann VHS. Vet dock inte varför,men ja, det är inte alltid "de bästa" som vinner. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:20 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Th3 End]: Vet inte så mycket om VHS och Betamax-kriget, men det hade nog även att göra med vilka bolag som stod bakom formatet. Och för tillfället så verkar BR ha mest stöd Ska se om jag hittar listan med bolagen..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:22 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Th3 end: Betamax! Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade Var väl mest för att VHS var billigare? Idag är det annorlunda då skivorna måste vara säkra och BR är just nu betydligt säkrare än HD DVD, eftersom SONY har adopterat det bästa säkerhetssystemet någonsin för en skiva. Någon som vet exakt vad det var som fällde Betamax? Uppdatering: Troligen var det så att VHS kasetterna var billigare, spelarna var billigare och det fanns mer filmer. Idag är det tyvärr lite mer komplicerat än så! Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:24 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Borttaget] Haha,trodde att jag var i PS3 tråden. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:26 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Fagers] "Betamax format för videobandspelare för konsumentbruk utvecklad av Sony. Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare. Som enda tillverkare kunde Sony hålla ett högre pris på maskinerna vilket i slutändan dömde formatet att förlora i tävlingen mot VHS formatet." Typ Är inte så denna gången då företag som tex TDK har visat upp BR-skivor xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ok SONYs vanliga strategi^^ Tur att det inte kan hända med BR, eftersom SONY inte har ensam rätt på det! Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:09 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Jag tror mer på Bluray än hd-dvd. De har ungefär samma läshastighet men bluray lagrar mer och känns helt enkelt lite "framtid" över det. Tyvärr så känns hd-dvd som en uppgradering av dvd snarare än ett nytt format. får väl hoppas att detta "krig" slutar ganska snabbt, jobbigt med 2st format xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:14 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ja hoppas det blir ett kortvarit krig så att konsumenterna inte lågas av det i och med dyra spelare. Hoppas själv på BR pga att PS3 har en BR läsare. Får spelaren på ett mycket billigare sätt på det sättet^^ Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:16 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Vad hette den den där formaten från SONY som utmanade mot VHS? För den var ju också "futuristiskt" och hade en del fördelar som VHS saknade och ändå vann VHS. Vet dock inte varför,men ja, det är inte alltid "de bästa" som vinner. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:20 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Th3 End]: Vet inte så mycket om VHS och Betamax-kriget, men det hade nog även att göra med vilka bolag som stod bakom formatet. Och för tillfället så verkar BR ha mest stöd Ska se om jag hittar listan med bolagen..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:22 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Th3 end: Betamax! Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade Var väl mest för att VHS var billigare? Idag är det annorlunda då skivorna måste vara säkra och BR är just nu betydligt säkrare än HD DVD, eftersom SONY har adopterat det bästa säkerhetssystemet någonsin för en skiva. Någon som vet exakt vad det var som fällde Betamax? Uppdatering: Troligen var det så att VHS kasetterna var billigare, spelarna var billigare och det fanns mer filmer. Idag är det tyvärr lite mer komplicerat än så! Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:24 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Borttaget] Haha,trodde att jag var i PS3 tråden. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:26 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Fagers] "Betamax format för videobandspelare för konsumentbruk utvecklad av Sony. Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare. Som enda tillverkare kunde Sony hålla ett högre pris på maskinerna vilket i slutändan dömde formatet att förlora i tävlingen mot VHS formatet." Typ Är inte så denna gången då företag som tex TDK har visat upp BR-skivor xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ok SONYs vanliga strategi^^ Tur att det inte kan hända med BR, eftersom SONY inte har ensam rätt på det! Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
Fagers 2005-09-06 19:14 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ja hoppas det blir ett kortvarit krig så att konsumenterna inte lågas av det i och med dyra spelare. Hoppas själv på BR pga att PS3 har en BR läsare. Får spelaren på ett mycket billigare sätt på det sättet^^ Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:16 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Vad hette den den där formaten från SONY som utmanade mot VHS? För den var ju också "futuristiskt" och hade en del fördelar som VHS saknade och ändå vann VHS. Vet dock inte varför,men ja, det är inte alltid "de bästa" som vinner. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:20 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Th3 End]: Vet inte så mycket om VHS och Betamax-kriget, men det hade nog även att göra med vilka bolag som stod bakom formatet. Och för tillfället så verkar BR ha mest stöd Ska se om jag hittar listan med bolagen..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:22 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Th3 end: Betamax! Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade Var väl mest för att VHS var billigare? Idag är det annorlunda då skivorna måste vara säkra och BR är just nu betydligt säkrare än HD DVD, eftersom SONY har adopterat det bästa säkerhetssystemet någonsin för en skiva. Någon som vet exakt vad det var som fällde Betamax? Uppdatering: Troligen var det så att VHS kasetterna var billigare, spelarna var billigare och det fanns mer filmer. Idag är det tyvärr lite mer komplicerat än så! Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:24 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Borttaget] Haha,trodde att jag var i PS3 tråden. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:26 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Fagers] "Betamax format för videobandspelare för konsumentbruk utvecklad av Sony. Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare. Som enda tillverkare kunde Sony hålla ett högre pris på maskinerna vilket i slutändan dömde formatet att förlora i tävlingen mot VHS formatet." Typ Är inte så denna gången då företag som tex TDK har visat upp BR-skivor xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ok SONYs vanliga strategi^^ Tur att det inte kan hända med BR, eftersom SONY inte har ensam rätt på det! Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:16 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Vad hette den den där formaten från SONY som utmanade mot VHS? För den var ju också "futuristiskt" och hade en del fördelar som VHS saknade och ändå vann VHS. Vet dock inte varför,men ja, det är inte alltid "de bästa" som vinner. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:20 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Th3 End]: Vet inte så mycket om VHS och Betamax-kriget, men det hade nog även att göra med vilka bolag som stod bakom formatet. Och för tillfället så verkar BR ha mest stöd Ska se om jag hittar listan med bolagen..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:22 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Th3 end: Betamax! Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade Var väl mest för att VHS var billigare? Idag är det annorlunda då skivorna måste vara säkra och BR är just nu betydligt säkrare än HD DVD, eftersom SONY har adopterat det bästa säkerhetssystemet någonsin för en skiva. Någon som vet exakt vad det var som fällde Betamax? Uppdatering: Troligen var det så att VHS kasetterna var billigare, spelarna var billigare och det fanns mer filmer. Idag är det tyvärr lite mer komplicerat än så! Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:24 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Borttaget] Haha,trodde att jag var i PS3 tråden. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:26 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Fagers] "Betamax format för videobandspelare för konsumentbruk utvecklad av Sony. Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare. Som enda tillverkare kunde Sony hålla ett högre pris på maskinerna vilket i slutändan dömde formatet att förlora i tävlingen mot VHS formatet." Typ Är inte så denna gången då företag som tex TDK har visat upp BR-skivor xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ok SONYs vanliga strategi^^ Tur att det inte kan hända med BR, eftersom SONY inte har ensam rätt på det! Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:20 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Th3 End]: Vet inte så mycket om VHS och Betamax-kriget, men det hade nog även att göra med vilka bolag som stod bakom formatet. Och för tillfället så verkar BR ha mest stöd Ska se om jag hittar listan med bolagen..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:22 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Th3 end: Betamax! Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade Var väl mest för att VHS var billigare? Idag är det annorlunda då skivorna måste vara säkra och BR är just nu betydligt säkrare än HD DVD, eftersom SONY har adopterat det bästa säkerhetssystemet någonsin för en skiva. Någon som vet exakt vad det var som fällde Betamax? Uppdatering: Troligen var det så att VHS kasetterna var billigare, spelarna var billigare och det fanns mer filmer. Idag är det tyvärr lite mer komplicerat än så! Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:24 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Borttaget] Haha,trodde att jag var i PS3 tråden. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:26 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Fagers] "Betamax format för videobandspelare för konsumentbruk utvecklad av Sony. Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare. Som enda tillverkare kunde Sony hålla ett högre pris på maskinerna vilket i slutändan dömde formatet att förlora i tävlingen mot VHS formatet." Typ Är inte så denna gången då företag som tex TDK har visat upp BR-skivor xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ok SONYs vanliga strategi^^ Tur att det inte kan hända med BR, eftersom SONY inte har ensam rätt på det! Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
Fagers 2005-09-06 19:22 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Th3 end: Betamax! Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade Var väl mest för att VHS var billigare? Idag är det annorlunda då skivorna måste vara säkra och BR är just nu betydligt säkrare än HD DVD, eftersom SONY har adopterat det bästa säkerhetssystemet någonsin för en skiva. Någon som vet exakt vad det var som fällde Betamax? Uppdatering: Troligen var det så att VHS kasetterna var billigare, spelarna var billigare och det fanns mer filmer. Idag är det tyvärr lite mer komplicerat än så! Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:24 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Borttaget] Haha,trodde att jag var i PS3 tråden. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:26 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Fagers] "Betamax format för videobandspelare för konsumentbruk utvecklad av Sony. Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare. Som enda tillverkare kunde Sony hålla ett högre pris på maskinerna vilket i slutändan dömde formatet att förlora i tävlingen mot VHS formatet." Typ Är inte så denna gången då företag som tex TDK har visat upp BR-skivor xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ok SONYs vanliga strategi^^ Tur att det inte kan hända med BR, eftersom SONY inte har ensam rätt på det! Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
Th3 End 2005-09-06 19:24 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Borttaget] Haha,trodde att jag var i PS3 tråden. Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:26 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Fagers] "Betamax format för videobandspelare för konsumentbruk utvecklad av Sony. Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare. Som enda tillverkare kunde Sony hålla ett högre pris på maskinerna vilket i slutändan dömde formatet att förlora i tävlingen mot VHS formatet." Typ Är inte så denna gången då företag som tex TDK har visat upp BR-skivor xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ok SONYs vanliga strategi^^ Tur att det inte kan hända med BR, eftersom SONY inte har ensam rätt på det! Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
Niemesis 2005-09-06 19:26 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible [Fagers] "Betamax format för videobandspelare för konsumentbruk utvecklad av Sony. Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare. Som enda tillverkare kunde Sony hålla ett högre pris på maskinerna vilket i slutändan dömde formatet att förlora i tävlingen mot VHS formatet." Typ Är inte så denna gången då företag som tex TDK har visat upp BR-skivor xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0Fagers 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ok SONYs vanliga strategi^^ Tur att det inte kan hända med BR, eftersom SONY inte har ensam rätt på det! Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
Fagers 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Niemesis: Ok SONYs vanliga strategi^^ Tur att det inte kan hända med BR, eftersom SONY inte har ensam rätt på det! Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
InterCourse- 2005-09-06 19:32 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vet faktiskt inte varför det förlorade" inget vet säkert, folk frågar sig fortfarande varför BM verkligen torskade. Kanske Niemesis har svaret? Dunno..har sett en hel del olika svar/spekulationer över förlusten.."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
radiuz26 2005-09-06 21:03 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig. Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn, då de tillsammans med Philips utvecklade CD:n (endast för ljud) på 80-talet, och sedan, tillsammans med JVC, Philips och Matsushita, utvecklade CD:n för video och ljud -93. Källa: http://www.sweclockers.com/h tml/recension/rec_030617_nor t hq_nq-5000.php?page=3 Och sen har DVD:n utvecklats av Toshiba och Time-Warner, samt av Philips, Sony och 3M http://www.jonasweb.nu/sidor /datorn/tekniskt/optisk.html# 4radiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
InterCourse- 2005-09-06 21:23 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Har för mig att det hade med att VHS att fler bakom sig." nepp, det var faktiskt otroligt jämbördigt vad gäller stödet såvitt jag vet. http://www.mediacollege.com/ video/format/compare/betamax - vhs.html "In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsushita (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai." 6 vs 6 ¨-¨ Sen beror det ej heller på prissättningen. Betamax var tekniskt överlägsen VHS, och dyrare för Sony, men Sony satte en prislapp på Betamax som var på samma bredgradd som VHS. Därför var inte priset heller en faktor."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
Th3 End 2005-09-06 21:29 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Att man säger att Sony aldrig lyckas göra ett format till standard är lögn" Vem har sagt det? Like Comment Share 0yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
yozified 2005-09-06 21:54 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible InterCourse: WTF? Sounds like a conspiracy... Th3 End: Jag har hört det ett antal gånger. Sony har ju, oftast tillsammans med andra, försökt få olika format att bli standard ett antal gånger vid det här laget (som t.ex. Minidisc och ATRAC-3) med varierande resultat."But then? No then." Like Comment Share 0Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
Niemesis 2005-09-06 21:59 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Fick ingen större genomslag eftersom Sony länge vägrade licensiera formatet till andra tillverkare" Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite..xbox360? Ps3? Revolution? Lovorda ingen maskin innan du sett dem i praktiken Like Comment Share 0radiuz26 2005-09-06 22:12 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Vem har sagt det?" Anti-Sony-medlemmarna på det här forumet i nästan alla diskutioner om BR vs HD-DVD http://www.gamereactor.se/fo rum/?forum=2&thread=13731&pag e=118#564655 t. exradiuz26 is no more Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
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["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible "Intercourse: Detta kanske påverkade lite.." kanske det, men känns relativt ologiskt. Betamax borde ha kunnat vinna ändå, främst p.g.a teknologin, priset var ju jämförbart. Hittade dock en intressant artikel med namnet "Why VHS was better than Betamax" Kan förhoppningsvis förklara en hel del..lång läsning framöver. ["] Why VHS was better than Betamax In the first of his weekly columns for Guardian Unlimited, Jack Schofield debunks an urban myth Saturday January 25, 2003 Read this, and the next time someone tells you that, of course, Betamax was superior to VHS, you can tell them that they are wrong. It's an urban myth. This is not news: the information has always been available to anyone who could be bothered to look. However, it seems to me that the survival of this and many similar notions is not just a matter of techno-arrogance: it shows a failure to understand how technology markets work. Soon after I joined the Guardian in 1985, to launch Computer Guardian, another journalist showed me an article he had written about the IBM PC. I went through the introductory paragraphs step by step and explained that, as a matter of fact, every single point was wrong. "Oh well," he said, "that doesn't matter. That's what everybody thinks". That and similar experiences as an ordinary reader led me, eventually, to two conclusions. The first is that a lot of comment is based on a sort of received wisdom, a common currency, that appears to be picked up from the atmosphere. It certainly isn't based on reality. The second is that almost no journalists, and no geeks, have ever come across the concept of "the whole product", though it is well known to marketing people. Real people may not be aware of it, but the "whole product" model is an accurate description of the way they buy things. Let's take a simple example: digital audio tape (Dat). Get someone to compare Dat with a humble C90 compact cassette and they will find Dat to be technologically superior, especially for recording music. However, if you consider "the whole product", Dat is vastly inferior for most people most of the time. This is why people still buy millions of cassettes, while Dat has virtually disappeared from consumer use. The point is that when someone buys and uses a product, the technological aspects are a small and often uninteresting part of the decision. When you choose compact cassette, you are also buying into a vast infrastructure of capabilities, services and support. These include the availability of cheap cassettes on every high street, cheap personal stereos, and the ability to use the same format for a wide range of applications (personal stereo, portable radio/cassette players, in the car, in your hi-fi stack). You are buying the ability to stick a cassette in the post to your relatives in Australia with 100% certainty that they will be able to play it - and what's more, you won't care about never getting that tape back. Similarly, when someone buys a Wintel PC, they are buying the ability to choose from dozens of models from hundreds of hardware suppliers, or have one built to order, or build one themselves. They are buying the ability to access hundreds of peripherals, hundreds of thousands of applications, and millions of websites that work best with their system. They are buying the choice of hundreds of magazines, thousands of books, and all the supporting services from educational courses to repair shops. They are also buying the confidence that their system will keep progressing even if individual manufacturers fail."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
InterCourse- 2005-09-06 22:19 Sexuellt innehåll Våldsamt innehållo Spam Bryter mot mitt copyright Annat Thank you for your time. We will take care of this matter as soon as posible In marketing terms, "the core product" - such as a car, a computer, or a video recorder - is just the start. You have to add on all the things like reliability, service and support (the expected product), its expansion capabilities (the augmented product), and its potential for future development (the potential product) to get "the whole product". Since real people make real buying decisions based on "the whole product" (and if they didn't, we'd change the model), simpleminded comparisons of products by technological feature are very likely to get it wrong. I've been operating with the concept of "the whole product" for about a decade. It's much older than that, of course, but I first discovered it in Geoffrey Moore's book, Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers, published in 1991. That and Moore's follow up - Inside the Tornado: Marketing Strategies from Silicon Valley's Cutting Edge - are the two most important books ever written about hi-tech marketing. In the Valley, in the 90s, they were used as bibles. It had a strong effect on me. When you get a new tool, you want to apply it, and I applied it. I'd spent half a decade deriding Microsoft Windows - as a user, I'd preferred Digital Research's Gem, and I was a keen supporter of open systems Unix - but it didn't take me long to work out that Windows had won. "The whole product" model also provided a convincing explanation of why VHS had thrashed Betamax. VHS offered a bigger choice of hardware at lower cost, the tapes were cheaper and more easily available, there were a lot more movies to rent, and so on. All of this matched my own experience. I remember perambulating Hammersmith (doing the Maplin run) and finding VHS recorders more readily available to rent, while the video shop had three walls of VHS movies and only one for Betamax. Indeed, the main thing that didn't fit was the idea was that Betamax was "technically superior". Standing in a shop at the time, there was absolutely no visible difference in picture quality, and some reviews had found that VHS's quality was superior."Clank took the Ratchet and Jacked Dax" Like Comment Share 0 För att kommentera måste du vara inloggad. Om du inte är medlem än - bli medlem nu! Sida:12345678910...38
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